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PostSubject: Madara's existence.   Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:47 pm

well after this latest manga, I think it is clear.

Madara's existence is that which is not completely in this world. That's why he has the ability to warp in and out of existence. Plus he mentioned "becoming whole"

I think that his battle with minato, though it did not kill him, took away part of his human existence. He prolly used some crazy ass kinjutsu that allowed him to live on in spirit, but not entirely. I think that the bijuu are the Key to this. By putting all the bijuu in the Dragon consuming Seal summon, he will regain his former self. And dominate everyones Shitt nonstop forever.
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:14 pm

Pat =) wrote:
well after this latest manga, I think it is clear.

The latest chapter had nothing to do with Madara...

I like the theory, though. Could be true, because I've always wondered why he wanted all the Bijuu. There's no way he could control all of them at once. They'd wreck havoc.
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:39 am

Here is what i think

Madara now being very pwerful is becoming weak (like orochimaru) so he needs a new body. An UCHIHA body. That is why he styed close to itachi and sauske. He needs them. It may not be there bosy's but it must be something related to the eye or somtihg
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:09 am

Hero that is like the worst theory i have heard. In the history of general discussions no offense.

Anyway, Well how do ya think Sasuke's power(Susano) will be stopped. Well this is what i think, it can't be stopped until Naruto comes. And Naruto won't use either the nine tail fox or sage mode to beat him. You know, I remeber that Itachi gave some sort of power to Naruto before he died. Well there you have it, I think he's using that to beat Sasuke's susano monster. Otherwise, they will all be doomed if they try soemthing against Sasuke. And like always, Naruto has to come and rescue everyone's ass AGAIN.
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:58 am

i agree with you brain naruto will probly save them, but i did forget about the power itachi gave naruto so thanks for remeinding me about that. ti would be awsome though if like shikamarucame out of no where and kick sasuke's but all over the place
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:26 am

I like Pat's theory. Well thought out.

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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:29 pm

Hmm, Sasuke has used his Mangekyou A LOT. Like, spamming alot. How he even has enough chakra to fight, let alone call his summon (I know the name, but I refuse to say it). What I don't understand is, why doesn't Sasuke have any original Mangekyou moves aside from controlling the balack flames. As far as I can tell, each Sharingan gives different Mangekyou powers, since Kakashi wasn't able to use the black flames rather he used that black hole thingy. I thought Sasuke would have Itachi's black flames along with three other original pwnsome attacks. And what is up with the new, colder Sasuke? His line "My eyes can only see darkness" is like saying, "Dude, I'm a major bad guy, get lost, I ain't joining the light side". He was so asking for it then. He freakin' made Gaara cry! That's a no no.

And finally, it's nice to see everyone admit that Sasuke's gonna be imprisoned if he becomes a good guy. Sasuke gone stepped deep into thedark side, but let's not underestimate Naruto's secret weapon: The Voice of Naruto!

Right, so I blabbed about Sasuke even though it had nothing to do with this topic Razz.

+Brian+ wrote:
Anyway, Well how do ya think Sasuke's power(Susano) will be stopped. Well this is what i think, it can't be stopped until Naruto comes. And Naruto won't use either the nine tail fox or sage mode to beat him. You know, I remeber that Itachi gave some sort of power to Naruto before he died. Well there you have it, I think he's using that to beat Sasuke's susano monster. Otherwise, they will all be doomed if they try soemthing against Sasuke. And like always, Naruto has to come and rescue everyone's ass AGAIN

Hmm, I can't really see Naruto being that powerful. I for one, think that Sasuke will make something kind of move that'll knock the roof down, give him some cover, which he'll use to either make a break for Danzou or run away. He can't keep his attacks up for much longer, he's sure to be low on chakra. And I've been wondering what power Itachi gave Naruto all along.

Man, I'm worried about the Sand siblings. If Sasuke kills them... >.<
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:12 pm

He won't kill the sand siblings he couldnt even kill the Raikage's body guard Shi. Gaara cried, how cute Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:06 pm

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What I don't understand is, why doesn't Sasuke have any original Mangekyou moves aside from controlling the balack flames
Well if you think about it (I don't know that exact time) Sasuke hasn't had the ability to control the Mangekyou sharingan for that long. For the 3 years that kakashi was away he mastered one technique with his eye and who knows how long it took for Itachi to master thoughs three techniques. So to Sasuke hasn't mastered new techniques of his own is kind of naive seeing as he is constantly being tracked down by the strongest ninja in the world, trying to be controlled by a masked maniac and still trying to come to terms with his life. In the midst of all that i can't see how he could training or dedicate enough time to make unique techniques, also why would you want to create new techniques when Itachi has done the hard work for you and given you them. haha ^^

I am also interested in what Itachi gave Naruto in regards to if it has power or not. I loved the latest chapter! Finally we get to the Sand Siblings whom i think are awesome! Gaara still has his ultimate defense according to Sasuke and his fighting style hasn't seemed to change much since the Bijuu extraction. Also Kankuros puppet is defenitly Sasori, or a replica version of him.

Back to the topic ^^ to be honest i like Pat's idea it is a real possibility.

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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:12 pm

Yes Pat's is really good and a real possibility, I agreed that I like it, but none the less, great theories about Naruto are often wrong, the bloody writers still manage to mind fuck us so hard that it's brilliant.

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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:22 pm

Yeah, like the Danzou=Madara theory or the Tobi=Obito theory. Stupid Kishimoto! He loves torturing peoples' minds!
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:30 am

Lmao, maybe I wasn't thinking about the latest, but the one before it. The one where Madara talks about becoming whole.

But yeah as for mangekyou sharingan.. I think there are a few powers we don't know about..

The ones we know:

Kamui- Kakashi
Amaterasu- Sasuke/Itachi
Susanoo- Sasuke/Itachi
Tsukoyomi- Itachi
(unamed)- Madara

I'm fairly certain, if not positive that madara's got some sort of special mangekyou technique that would allow him to teleport between spirit world and human world.

As For Danzo.. theres the huge possibility that he too has some sort of mangekyou sharingan technique as well...


"Madara now being very pwerful is becoming weak (like orochimaru) so he needs a new body. An UCHIHA body. That is why he styed close to itachi and sauske. He needs them. It may not be there bosy's but it must be something related to the eye or somtihg"

Sorry Hero. Definetely not at all possible or even plausable. I mean, he already has eternal mangekyou sharingan, so he definetely doesn't need there eye.

He needed Itachi for his connection to Sasuke, and He needs sasuke for his connection to naruto.

Since Sasuke is a decendent of Madara, and Naruto is a Decendent of the Senju, the two have to fight (or so madara thinks).



As for the comment about the bijuu being too powerful for him to control... This is obviously wrong.


The 9 Demon Consuming Seal is able to completely contain them. Although. I'm curious now... How will Madara seal the kyuubi in it, since Nagato was the one who summoned it?

oh the questions. Naruto sure has been getting good lately.
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:10 pm

Pat =) wrote:
Since Sasuke is a decendent of Madara, and Naruto is a Decendent of the Senju, the two have to fight (or so madara thinks).

Seriously people, read between the lines. Naruto isn't a descendant of the Senju, he's got the most Will of Fire nonesense, that's what Madara meant. Hiashirama and Naruto both think the same, they're not related.
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:56 pm

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As For Danzo.. theres the huge possibility that he too has some sort of mangekyou sharingan technique as well...
He does have a Mangekyo Sharingan technique the one which he obtained through receiving the eye. That crazy genjutsu that people don't even know they are in and can be controlled by the user to do whatever they want. Thats choice. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:00 pm

That's not a Mangekyou. Shishui didn't have the Mangekyou, he was so skilled that he could use Genjutsu on people without them knowing. Remember, people said that Shishui was the most skilled Uchiha of that time.
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:32 pm

Oh really? i thought that it was a mangekyo ability? I shall have another look. ><

*Todd hides in the corner ashamed and embarressed*

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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sun Sep 20, 2009 7:45 pm

There are/were 3 4 5 people who can/could use the Mangekyou Sharingan.
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:24 pm

Ulkira, you're wrong.


The 4th Hokage, Naruto's father, was a decendent of the original hokage, therefor, naruto Has Senju Blood in him =]
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:04 am

Pat =) wrote:
Ulkira, you're wrong.


The 4th Hokage, Naruto's father, was a decendent of the original hokage, therefor, naruto Has Senju Blood in him =]

Evidence, please?
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:18 am

They says it on the chapter, previous i belive.
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:21 am

im fairly sure ulkira is right... otherwise naruto would be related to tsunade, and we know that tsunade is not minatos father... theres no one else who could have given birth to minato and still be related to Harishima.
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:09 pm

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Right, so this is where Madara states that Naruto has the First Hokage's spirit or his Will of Fire. He never said that they were related. Madara knew Hashirama, and if he met someone who had the same spirit or personality, then he'd recognise his old rival in him.
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:48 am

Bah, Madara will die somehow. It's mostly happens in Naruto anyway. Pains never lost a battle, next day *dead*.
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:13 pm

Haha, of course he'll die somehow. I think if Naruto does die somehow; it'll be a double-kill fight with Saucegay. They'll fight at the end, both die, Sakura will cry, put on a bunch of weight and start dating girls/Sai. It's inevitable.
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PostSubject: Re: Madara's existence.   Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:43 pm

I disagree, Ulkira. though you could feasably arrive to that conclusion, he said the fire of the senju clan, not the will of fire. the 4th hokage is naruto's father. and naruto's father was a member of the senju clan, I do believe.
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